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Simple Gallery Pro App

Chapter 12

In which Simple Mobile Tools is bashed by SkewedZeppelin and others.

dlnb:
Why do people have issue with simple gallery?
Nov 30 15:08

thecast:
it includes a non gpl-compatible image editor in the play store version and the simplemobiletools apps are all poorly written
Nov 30 15:23

Projjal:
ths

this
Nov 30 15:37

dlnb:
thecast:
> it includes a non gpl-compatible image editor in the play store version and the simplemobiletools apps are all poorly written

Lol playstore, written poorly - maybe, gallery works fine as a gallery app and not running into a single bug is nice
Nov 30 16:02

And if it is written poorly,youre welcome to commit some fixes to improve the "written poorly" parts
Nov 30 16:05

thecast:
lol you asked why people dont like it bud

the entire app would have to be rewritten im sure

people care about illegal license violations
Nov 30 16:06

dlnb:
Those are bad i agree,i didnt know about them
Nov 30 16:07

thecast:
you didnt seem to care when you first responded
Nov 30 16:15

dlnb:
Where did i specifically respond to the license violation? Lol playstore isnt my response to that

Please dont assume things about me
Nov 30 16:17

thecast:
what was that a response to then?
Nov 30 16:18

dlnb:
Lol playstore is me laughing at the playstore

I dont use it and dont recommend people using it
Nov 30 16:19

> Those are bad i agree,i didnt know about them
This is me responding to that violation
Nov 30 16:20

Hope we settled this miscomunnication
Nov 30 16:21

thecast:
hah

SkewedZeppelin:
Plz

No argumentive back and forth

And my reason for wanting to remove is their Simple Phone partnership
Nov 30 17:25

thecast:
Yeh I was going to mention that also but didnt feel like typing it all out. If someone talks to me like that im not just going to take it and say nothing back. I was only trying to answer his question
Nov 30 17:29

edgar.vincent:
> <@_xmpp_SkewedZeppelin=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> And my reason for wanting to remove is their Simple Phone partnership

Why is that?
Nov 30 17:51

Projjal:
Are Tad and SkewedZeplin one and the same person?

SkewedZeppelin:
Projjal, yes

Projjal:
oh, thanks very much, for everything
Nov 30 17:52

SkewedZeppelin:
edgar.vincent, boycotts are fun, the claims are so trivial to check too, website says privacy phone, website loads facebook trackers...

Projjal:
lmao
Nov 30 17:53

edgar.vincent:
I see, but is that partnership mentioned in the app itself?

SkewedZeppelin:
yes actually

and Simple Phone is their phone

the partnership is with Secure Group

there is a "Get Simple Phone" button in the app
Nov 30 17:54

edgar.vincent:
I see.

SkewedZeppelin:
hah it seems they replaced facebook with matamo
Nov 30 17:55

not to mention the price, the end of life device, the old versions

just a bad value
Nov 30 17:58

edgar.vincent:
I suppose.

SkewedZeppelin:
and this is the chip: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/mediatek/helio/mt6771

5 years old!

for 350eur
Nov 30 17:59

edgar.vincent:
I quite like the Simple apps, myself. Don't really care about the Simple phone myself.

matchboxbananasynergy!:
I really hope no one falls for that

idk if the simple mobile tools devs understands that what he's selling is pretty bad for what you're paying or not

but i really hope people don't waste their money on that
Nov 30 18:03

SkewedZeppelin:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp/-/issues/2007

https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/commit/37e72d45f841b72b334f23f3e15a2e31fa8c4d56

all the fdroid simple tool apps had a proprietary blob in them for months

matchboxbananasynergy!:
lol i dont understand why you're gonna license as GPL when you wanna include a closed editor in the app

would've made much more sense to do MIT
Nov 30 18:04

SkewedZeppelin:
either way, between the proprietary blob inclusions, the license violation, and the simple phone nonsense, those 3 reasons add up to wanting to remove the app

just need to find a viable replacement
Nov 30 18:06

at the same time, monetizing foss is hard, even with some paid versions of the apps

surely the idea of a phone was around
Nov 30 18:20

Secure Group likely approached Tibbi and from all looks they're a legit company

100+ employees

and he'll get some profit from it surely

it probably looked like a good deal in his shoes

can't fault him too much
Nov 30 18:21

matchboxbananasynergy!:
Sure

But I've seen instances of him trying to market it by disparaging other projects....
Nov 30 18:26

SkewedZeppelin:
it has been marketed hard

matchboxbananasynergy!:
That's what makes me fear people will fall for it

SkewedZeppelin:
yep
Nov 30 18:27

especially because most people already trust their apps

vs some other no name privacy phone vendor

matchboxbananasynergy!:
The dev called GrapheneOS "too extreme" and then proceeded to say something that he never clarified to this day about GrapheneOS causing "issues with apps that communicate with each other"

I don't think he ever replied when I asked him to clarify
Nov 30 18:28

SkewedZeppelin:
yes, I saw that post

matchboxbananasynergy!:
It's one thing to try to make a buck

grintea:
are the simple apps bad now

what is a better gallery
Nov 30 18:29

matchboxbananasynergy!:
But don't try to get ahead by saying stuff that's simply untrue

grintea:
i like simple gallery because it's very much like the old quickpic

matchboxbananasynergy!:
And then don't have the guts to reply when you're questioned

> <@grintea:nltrix.net> what is a better gallery

Aves is okay, but it's written in Flutter if that matters to you

SkewedZeppelin:
their contract may prohibit them from responding
Nov 30 18:30

but yes, no need to make actually better projects look bad for your awful phone

grintea:
> <@matchboxbananasynergy:matrix.org> Aves is okay, but it's written in Flutter if that matters to you

looking at the screenshots, i am not sure i will like it. i will give it a try though, not like it costs anything. thanks for the suggestion

wj25czxj47bu6q:
> <@grintea:nltrix.net> are the simple apps bad now

imo Simple Gallery + GOS Storage Scopes is still okay. But in principle you should try to avoid Simple Mobile Tools apps if you are not keen on supporting the BS phone

grintea:
i really like the old quickpic layout
Nov 30 18:31

wj25czxj47bu6q:
I don't know of any better gallery app, but the rest of the apps are not worth using anyway imo

grintea:
simple gallery basically stole the old quickpic UI/UX, which is great because quickpic became dogshit

> <@wj25czxj47bu6q:arcticfoxes.net> I don't know of any better gallery app, but the rest of the apps are not worth using anyway imo

yeah i only use simple gallery

yeah i only use simple gallery from the simple suite

matchboxbananasynergy!:
It would be nice to get a new proper gallery app written in Kotlin, with Material You and everything
Nov 30 18:32

SkewedZeppelin:
https://old.reddit.com/r/SimpleMobileTools/comments/z3d3dm/is_there_a_way_to_install_simpleos_on_my_own_phone/ixm94ow/

Has microG
Website claims degoogled

> Simple Phone uses microG as a replacement for Google Play Services. All the features you need, minus the spyware.

what about those proprietary libraries in all the apps? and the safetynet downloads? and all the connections to Google?
Nov 30 18:33

dlnb:
"Degloogled"

SkewedZeppelin:
still no source code either

matchboxbananasynergy!:
Accuracy doesn't matter when you've got **MARKETING**, baby!
Nov 30 18:34

grintea:
>minus the spyware
>client connects to google anyway

yes makes sense

matchboxbananasynergy!:
Won't the OS be on Android 11 or anything?

grintea:
obviously the client itself being open source is the problem, not the fact that the data is transferred to google

matchboxbananasynergy!:
I remember reading about that somewhere

but that might be wrong

SkewedZeppelin:
hxxps://simplephone.tech/product/simple-phone/

> SimpleOS, powered by Lunar Open Mobile Platform (Based on Android 11)

you bet!

🤣️

matchboxbananasynergy!:
Lol, he still hasn't replied to me 6 days later

He was hoping to be able to say stuff that makes absolutely no sense and nobody there to challenge it
Nov 30 18:35

dlnb:
Old outdated soc/software - not a great look

matchboxbananasynergy!:
>GrapheneOS is way too extreme, it even creates issues when apps communicate with each other.

Sir pls explain

SkewedZeppelin:
at least the shit phone Brax sells is two years newer?

right?
Nov 30 18:36

dlnb:
So 3 y/o?

matchboxbananasynergy!:
>SimpleOS isn't that hardcore, that's why we even chose to include microG.

Imagine his users' surprise when they figure out how incomplete MicroG app compatibility is

SkewedZeppelin:
dlnb, yep!

dlnb:
Lmao

matchboxbananasynergy!:
The Android alt OS space is filled with people trying to take advantage of people who don't know any better

That's why I appreciate Tad tbh

He's not out to deceive people, he tells it like it is, even if it means telling people to use something other than his OS
Nov 30 18:37

SkewedZeppelin:
correction Murena Phone, Brax Phone, and Simple Phone are all the same chip
> The Mediatek Helio P60 is an upper mainstream ARM SoC for smartphones (mainly Android based) that was introduced in early 2018.
Nov 30 18:38

matchboxbananasynergy!:
aren't they all using the same phones pretty much
Nov 30 18:39

https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-one/
> Mediatek Helio P60

https://simplephone.tech/product/simple-phone/
> MT6771

https://www.amazon.com/Generic-BraX2-Privacy-Phone-De-Googled/dp/B09WSLPTJ3
>  (Mediatek Helio P60)

yep

dlnb:
Slogan - "we sell you an outdated phone with an outdated os for a reasonable price"

SkewedZeppelin:
I think I confused it with the teracube that has a newer chip

dlnb:
matchboxbananasynergy!: pretty much

matchboxbananasynergy!:
"Only the price isn't reasonable"

Order today!

dlnb:
Reasonable for them,not the customer

You can get a 6a for that much
Nov 30 18:40

matchboxbananasynergy!:
The fact that you can get a Pixel 6a for the same price as this simple phone

and people will choose to buy this anyway

it hurts me deeply

lol

dlnb:
Yeah,its just dumb

grintea:
matchboxbananasynergy!: actually aves is looking pretty great, the albums section is decently close to the old quickpic design. i will use this the next few days to see if it's usable enough to replace simple gallery

good suggestion
Nov 30 18:48

thecast:
yeah flutter is pretty bloat but i do like aves
Nov 30 18:52

matchboxbananasynergy!:
They seem to have a memory corruption bug, perhaps, that was recently uncovered by hardened_malloc

The fix was to push the version with the bug on the play store and make "Aves Libre

The fix was to push the version with the bug on the play store and make "Aves Libre"

That fixes it
Nov 30 18:58

Can read about it here: https://github.com/deckerst/aves/issues/398
Nov 30 18:59

SkewedZeppelin:
shouldn't the shader issue be reported upstream?
Nov 30 19:11

matchboxbananasynergy!:
Probably? Not sure

grintea:
i am running aves libre, so i guess it's fine
Nov 30 19:14

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