risen:
> strcat:
>> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> SkewedZeppelin: Is anything wrong with default SMS and contacts apps in Cos, Dos and Los? How many hours should it take to swap those into Gos, to have great default dark mode?
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> apps don't need to be bundled with the OS for people to use them... and we don't want to include half working changes from elsewhere for dark mode especially if they're invasive
If you _do_ bundle an app, like text and contacts, it makes a glaring bad impression to a new user when the apps don't have dark mode like the rest of the system.
Nov 22 17:01
strcat:
we already have the situation where we applied dark mode patches from elsewhere to Dialer and it has multiple issues, and no one is helping us improve that
and we aren't moving over resources from privacy, security and app compatibility work to that
Nov 22 17:03
I'm not sure why you care so much if AOSP apps you can replace with ones you prefer are missing dark mode
AOSP Messaging is an extremely barebones SMS app and the main thing we do is completely replacing the MMS config database with a proper modern one so MMS actually works
Nov 22 17:04
giving it a crappy half working dark mode via hacky patches using forced dark mode (NOT the proper way to implement dark mode) won't make it a good app
and as explained earlier, we greatly prefer having users install their preferred SMS app instead of choosing a third party one to bundle which won't be aligned with our goals at all
Nov 22 17:05
we can't **remove** the AOSP app so we leave it be beyond fixing MMS and people can choose their preferred app
Nov 22 17:06
risen:
I'm not arguing. You can listen to feedback or not. I know it's been on your forum before. This is the kind of thing that just looks bad, as an instant first impression.
Nov 22 17:08
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I'm not arguing. You can listen to feedback or not. I know it's been on your forum before. This is the kind of thing that just looks bad, as an instant first impression.
it's a privacy and security project, not an AOSP sample app aesthetic improvement project
Nov 22 17:09
our recommendation is to use an SMS app made by developers who care about making a decent SMS app, there are a bunch available including some open source ones
AOSP Messaging is not actively developed/improved and just gets basic security fixes / bug fixes while being at a standstill
we have little interest in developing an SMS app especially since SMS is highly insecure / not private
Dialer / Messaging should be avoided whenever possible
perhaps their theme should be bright pink and neon green
Nov 22 17:10
SkewedZeppelin:
I'd dig it
Nov 22 17:11
risen:
CalyxOS, LineageOS, and DivestOS come off looking more polished, from first run. Whether they are trash or not underneath.
strcat:
these apps aren't part of the base OS, they're just AOSP sample apps
SkewedZeppelin:
GrapheneOS immediately comes off more polished because it only takes 2 button clicks to install
strcat:
they can be fully replaced by other apps and have no special OS integration
I've explained why it doesn't make sense to invest resources in a dead project like AOSP Messaging
Nov 22 17:12
instead of developing / maintaining a privacy feature like Contact Scopes, we could instead develop aesthetic improvements for dead AOSP apps
which would our users prefer? definitely Contact Scopes
and as I mentioned, we **did** ship a dark mode for Dialer, which proved to have issues as implemented elsewhere, and we have only partially fixed those
if you want us to extend that to Contacts and Messaging then I suggest helping fix the situation with Dialer since we consider it a mistake in hindsight
Nov 22 17:13
we accidentally reduced accessibility of the OS adapting patches from elsewhere for that despite partly fixing them
risen: you've spent hours talking about how GrapheneOS doesn't provide aesthetic improvements to these dead AOSP apps and how it's a dealbreaker for you, I really don't get it
our users who want a good SMS install one
adding a partly working dark mode to these apps won't make them good
Nov 22 17:15
just like adding some little minor improvements to AOSP Camera wouldn't have made it a reasonable app and doing the same for AOSP Gallery is a waste of time too
AOSP Gallery and AOSP Messaging are **horrible** and a few little half working improvements to them won't change that
risen:
I appreciate your time. I love having calls work well, if insecure, again (even if it's mostly the pixel hardware). We'll just have to agree to disagree on impressions and some bundled apps.
Nov 22 17:16
strcat:
if you want there to be a better SMS app in GrapheneOS, point us towards a minimalist, security-focused and permissive licensed (MIT, BSD, Apache2 or even GPLv2) app we could consider bundling (cannot be GPLv3 because we don't want to have those limits for GrapheneOS as a whole)
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I appreciate your time. I love having calls work well, if insecure, again (even if it's mostly the pixel hardware). We'll just have to agree to disagree on impressions and some bundled apps.
texts and calls in GrapheneOS work better than in those OSes due to our work on carrier support
Nov 22 17:17
risen:
Thanks for that. Trying to use a phone not intended for use outside Europe didn't help me either. Lol
Nov 22 17:19
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risen:
> strcat:
> risen: you've spent hours talking about how GrapheneOS doesn't provide aesthetic improvements to these dead AOSP apps ~and how it's a dealbreaker for you~, I really don't get it
strcat: Don't mis-state what I've actually said.
Nov 22 17:22
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