strcat:
don't misrepresent what I stated, I am really tired of you doing that
Nov 26 08:12
dosonplosThreeT
who do you mean
strcat:
risen
they make a habit of always making sure to attack GrapheneOS with their spin, and since it had become so frequent and other people were joining in, that led to me joining this room
I would prefer to be working on development and other things
Nov 26 08:13
risen:
> strcat:
> they make a habit of always making sure to attack GrapheneOS
This seems to be your response to anyone who does not sing only praises. I will give my opinion. That does not make it "attack".
> strcat:
> I would prefer to be working on development and other things
And you should.
Nov 26 08:17
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > strcat:
> > they make a habit of always making sure to attack GrapheneOS
>
> This seems to be your response to anyone who does not sing only praises. I will give my opinion. That does not make it "attack".
>
> > strcat:
> > I would prefer to be working on development and other things
> And you should.
no, you make false claims and spin things
you make personal attacks and engage in bullying too
I will be here countering your BS
Nov 26 08:18
...
strcat:
risen: if you can't tell, I'm extremely tired of tons of people all tied to 1 specific community (to be clear **not** this one) doing this across platforms daily
Nov 26 08:21
risen:
strcat: I'm not going to address or discuss personal issues. It's not personal to me. Do not interpret lack of response to be any agreement.
Nov 26 08:25
strcat:
you made it personal with your attacks on me
Nov 26 08:25
risen: you made it personal by spending weeks, maybe even months, maybe even longer making endless attacks based on false claims / spin and through that causing substantial harm to GrapheneOS
because you folks spread out across all platforms doing this, you're the main one doing it here
Nov 26 08:26
strcat:
so you're gradually poisoning people's idea of what GrapheneOS is / provides here
just like the many others from that community do elsewhere
and if you think that has no impact, you are wrong
Nov 26 08:26
risen:
Did you ever consider people have, and have a right to different opinions than yours?
Nov 26 08:27
strcat:
framing your lies and spin as your 'opinion' doesn't make it right
repeatedly lying, making personal attacks on someone amounting to bullying, misleading people about topics
it may be 2022 where people act as if facts don't exist anymore but they actually do
there is an objective reality
Nov 26 08:28
I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about how you are always coming up with some half or completely false claim / spin about GrapheneOS to attack it, every day, throughout the day
Nov 26 08:28
risen:
Yes. You use Microsoft github. To me that is a negative. Truth. Not spin.
Nov 26 08:29
strcat:
not relevant to what I am talking about, I'm not talking about you saying anything about GitHub
people kept showing me logs of you attacking GrapheneOS with false claims here
I wonder where else you do it and how many accounts you use to do it
risen:
List 10 false "claims" I stated.
Nov 26 08:30
strcat:
all someone has to do is search your past posts here and see you are attacking GrapheneOS daily usually with false claims / spin
Nov 26 08:30
risen:
A brief list of 10?
Nov 26 08:31
strcat:
you just tried doing one of your usual attacks just above this
Nov 26 08:31
risen:
> Me:
> Strcat had complaints, but no proof was given, that I saw.
To me, this is a true brief statement. No attack.
Nov 26 08:34
strcat:
it's untrue and a misrepresentation
you consistently lie and manipulate here every day
Nov 26 08:34
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > SkewedZeppelin:
> > When will Vanadium updates be available via Apps?
> When it's not baked in the OS (never)?
here you are doing the same
throughout the day, you spread lies and spin about GrapheneOS
you're a thoroughly dishonest and unethical person harming an open source project and the developers
Nov 26 08:37
that is what you will be remembered for instead of doing anything useful
all I have to do is scroll up through the scrollback and see your endless attacks based on false claims / spin
Nov 26 08:38
you want to know why we don't have the resources to do stuff like updating Vanadium via Apps? because of you, because people like you cut off our resources and caused us to lose multiple devs and be unable to bring more people on board as funded devs
that is what you do
that is your legacy
Nov 26 08:39
you and the other people doing exactly the same thing across every platform: hacker news, every major privacy subreddit, twitter, everywhere else
all infested with malicious people spreading lies about our project and cutting off funding, partnerships, donations, contributors
Nov 26 08:39
I don't particularly feel like scrolling back through 4 days of this channel to post 30 examples but everyone is perfectly capable of looking at what you do here regularly
as I said before, multiple people privately contacted me about what you were doing here and how you were gradually trying to poison the waters here to get people to believe all these falsehoods about GrapheneOS and dislike it and us
Nov 26 08:40
risen:
I feel sorry you feel this way, but I don't agree. There is clearly no point continuing.
Nov 26 08:41
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I feel sorry you feel this way, but I don't agree. There is clearly no point continuing.
it will be continued until you stop, go back and retract your false claims and repair the harm you have done
it is you who has continued your ongoing dishonest / spiteful attacks for no clear reason for ages
I am only coming here after you have been doing this for ages, causing harm gradually over time
Nov 26 08:42
and for the record when Chromium has a security update we test it and push it out via the OS within a couple days
why do we push it out via the OS? because then it there on fresh installs and after factory reset, not vulnerable by default starting out, and also updating it out of band requires adjusting our verified boot improvements which partially forbid it, and also improving Apps to support that
improving Apps to support it isn't good enough
Nov 26 08:44
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> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > dosonplosThreeT:
> > strcat: whats your gos position?
> Strcat is the leader of Gos,
>
> and apparently exempt from following
>
> https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/11-grapheneos-code-of-conduct
I suggest that you stop engaging in personal attacks on me and spreading fabrications about me
Nov 26 10:20
calling you out for your dishonest attacks on GrapheneOS and personal attacks on me is not in any way a violation of our forum's code of conduct
SkewedZeppelin: I really don't want to keep dealing with risen attacking myself and GrapheneOS here, he's doing it dozens of times every day, obsessively, and I'm very tired of it
it's why I came here in the first place
I'm curious where else he's doing it
Nov 26 10:21
toaskoas:
strcat: you can discuss this elsewhere. that's annoying.
Nov 26 10:22
strcat:
risen keeps making personal attacks on me here, every day for weeks or longer
endless attacks on GrapheneOS and personal attacks on me
Nov 26 10:23
risen:
> strcat:
> SkewedZeppelin: I really don't want to keep dealing with risen attacking myself and GrapheneOS here, he's doing it dozens of times every day, obsessively, and I'm very tired of it
Yet you can't list 10 examples
Nov 26 10:25
strcat:
you've already done it multiple times since then
it's a significant portion of what you do here
again, anyone can just scroll back and look at you making endless jabs at GrapheneOS with false claims, and also personal attacks on me
Nov 26 10:27
risen:
But you haven't given one valid example yet.
Nov 26 10:27
strcat:
why can't you simply be a decent person and stop engaging in bullying and trying to harm a project of someone you inexplicably have a huge personal vendetta against?
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> But you haven't given one valid example yet.
you've just been openly doing it repeatedly today, over and over again, making your little baseless attacks and jabs
Nov 26 10:27
what is your goal? causing harm to the project? burning my time and energy?
Nov 26 10:28
pretty strange to so consistency put effort into harming something you benefit from, and over such a long period of time
pretty strange to so consistently put effort into harming something you benefit from, and over such a long period of time
Nov 26 10:29
you're using this room about DivestOS as a place to make completely offtopic attacks on GrapheneOS and myself
repeatedly, over and over again, every day
as I said earlier, that is why I joined here, because I'm being attacked here by you repeatedly without being aware of it previously or present here to defend myself
Nov 26 10:30
as far as I know, I've never interacted with you before joining here recently, and I have no idea where the very apparent huge grudge you have comes from
Nov 26 10:32
risen:
We discuss primarily Dos, and compare with other alternative OS. Compare and contrast, openly and honestly, usually with good humor.
Nov 26 10:32
strcat:
that might be what others do, but not you
you repeatedly make false claims and misrepresent things
you engage in personal attacks on me
nothing honest about what you are doing
Nov 26 10:33
risen:
10 examples, or you're lying now.
Nov 26 10:33
strcat:
that's not how things work
this is just another example of you being manipulative and dishonest
you've just repeatedly attacked myself and GrapheneOS today with spin, misrepresentations and outright dishonest claims
I already brought up several, and you're still doing it now
Nov 26 10:33
risen:
You mentioned 2 invalid examples
Nov 26 10:34
strcat:
you've been doing it so consistently that multiple people here have brought it up to me
you've been doing it so consistently that multiple people here brought it up to me and caused me to finally join and see for myself
Nov 26 10:35
if you think that my initial intervention the other day was a one time thing, it's not
Nov 26 10:36
risen:
And I thought you came to be helpful and explain something in detail. My mistake.
Nov 26 10:39
strcat:
> <@strcat:grapheneos.org> GrapheneOS has a single full time developer who spends part of their time on the sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer, so I'm unsure why that's being misrepresented as a major drain on our resources
if you don't remember, and all people have to do is scroll up or down from there, or really anywhere, and see a bunch of your dishonest attacks and false claims about what we advise people to do, etc.
Nov 26 10:39
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> And I thought you came to be helpful and explain something in detail. My mistake.
I came here because someone is spreading clear cut misinformation about GrapheneOS throughout the day, every day, and trying to poison things between us and DivestOS
Nov 26 10:40
and congratulations, you've done a lot of harm to GrapheneOS and to those relations
Nov 26 10:41
toaskoas:
strcat: you are using this room for offtopic ...
Nov 26 10:42
R y a n:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> List 10 false "claims" I stated.
For example calling me toxic for saying that graphene is more private and secure than Dos and Calyx
Nov 26 10:43
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_toaskoas=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> strcat: you are using this room for offtopic ...
I'm only posting here because risen constantly uses the room to attack us, I'm not the one using it that way at all
Nov 26 10:43
I'm responding to weeks or longer of consistent attacks here by this person, tolerated by the other people here
Nov 26 10:44
R y a n:
> <@ryanns:matrix.org> For example calling me toxic for saying that graphene is more private and secure than Dos and Calyx
And saying that it was "classic graphene toxicity"
Nov 26 10:44
risen:
> CaptainPicard[m]:
>> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > R y a n:
>
> If this is a serious complaint and installing an app is too much trouble you should probably just use an iPhone my guy
^^^^^^^^
Nov 26 10:45
R y a n:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> And I thought you came to be helpful and explain something in detail. My mistake.
He did. The fact that you couldn't live with that is not his fault in the slightest
Nov 26 10:46
risen:
So what I hear, or see, is if my honest opinion of Gos isn't glowing, the Gos leader and follower plan to disrupt this discussion Muc?
Nov 26 10:49
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> So what I hear, or see, is if my honest opinion of Gos isn't glowing, the Gos leader and follower plan to disrupt this discussion Muc?
we aren't disrupting the discussion, you're the one misusing this channel to be toxic towards me and to post misinformation about GrapheneOS
Nov 26 10:55
and the person you're arguing with was here for ages because they probably use DivestOS...
and the other person you're arguing with was here for ages because they probably use DivestOS...
Nov 26 10:56
thecast:
> Strcat is the leader of Gos,
> and apparently exempt from following
> https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/11-grapheneos-code-of-conduct
I haven't seen him violate any of those rules
Nov 26 10:57
risen:
LOL
Nov 26 10:58
strcat:
risen, how about you just drop this childish grudge against me and stop trying to harm me and the project that I work on? I have no idea what I've done to trigger this but perhaps you should just talk about that with me in private instead of attacking me here
you're welcome to DM me at @strcat:grapheneos.org on Matrix and raise your grievances there instead of repeatedly doing it here every day
Nov 26 10:59
dlnb:
Pls no drama,this isnt reddit
Nov 26 11:00
strcat:
I do not know what I did to you to make you so angry with me
risen: I do not know what I did to you to make you so angry with me
Nov 26 11:01
risen:
Daniel, I want _nothing_ to do with you in private. I have no desire to harm you or Gos. To be brutally honest, this kind of behavior of yours does more harm than you seem to understand.
Nov 26 11:01
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Daniel, I want _nothing_ to do with you in private. I have no desire to harm you or Gos. To be brutally honest, this kind of behavior of yours does more harm than you seem to understand.
yet what you are doing is posting endless attacks on GrapheneOS on a daily basis and also attacks targeting me personally
and almost all of it is based on misrepresentations, spin or outright false claims
Nov 26 11:02
dlnb:
Str is micay?
Nov 26 11:04
risen:
> dlnb:
> Str is micay?
98% sure, yes
Nov 26 11:04
strcat:
all people have to do is scroll back through the room and can see you've just been doing these endless jabs / attacks over and over again, and that you have no problem being thoroughly dishonest with them
someone is currently making an archive of it
Nov 26 11:05
risen:
Be sure to include or collect eelo comments for comparison
Nov 26 11:06
If you're going to waste the time.
Nov 26 11:07
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> If you're going to waste the time.
you were the one demanding it
Nov 26 11:10
I don't know / care much about /e/ and therefore I don't talk about it much
Nov 26 11:11
risen:
I asked for 10 brief examples; you said there were dozens a day.
Nov 26 11:11
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I asked for 10 brief examples; you said there were dozens a day.
at least in the past week
I don't know how long you've been doing that or why
Nov 26 11:12
dlnb:
strcat: i lurk more than talk but grapheneos here is usually mentioned as the top dog of mobile os
Nov 26 11:16
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> strcat: i lurk more than talk but grapheneos here is usually mentioned as the top dog of mobile os
my issue is solely with risen
Nov 26 11:17
dlnb:
Just saying that because id like to not see relations with divestos get worse
Nov 26 11:18
strcat:
people having misconceptions, etc. is expected, people being heavily committed to attacking a project at every opportunity including with inaccurate attacks is different
Nov 26 11:18
travs:
risen: in between any valid concerns you may have youve been repeatedly unreasonably negative, snarky and/or sarcastically critical about grapheneOS and/or strcat for as long as I can remember. Ive called you out for it a number of times over the months
Nov 26 11:20
risen:
> travs:
> risen: in between any valid concerns you may have youve been repeatedly unreasonably negative, snarky and/or sarcastically critical about grapheneOS and/or strcat for as long as I can remember. Ive called you out for it a number of times over the months
Call me critical and sarcastic; no disagreement. "Unreasonably" I'd disagree. I wouldn't call you a liar because we disagree (as strcat is calling me).
Nov 26 11:28
travs:
You just drop it in continuously though. From where im sitting, and I expect for most people, it looks bizarrely excessive
Nov 26 11:31
risen:
Other people bring up Gos as much or more than me. Unless you're saying "Gos (is great)" is interpreted different than it looks, I just don't see excessive anything.
Nov 26 11:41
travs:
Yeah thats part of it. Considering your constant critical stance that appeared to be a snarky attack against it and/or people who like ir
Nov 26 11:53
risen:
OK. From now on, if someone asks about Gos, I'll just say: I tried it. It was good security AFAIK, but had a couple cosmetic things and a slightly slower update than Dos. I switched to (LineageOS or CalyxOS, haven't decided), because strcat called me a bunch of names and accused me of a bunch of dishonesty, with no valid reason. Because of that, I can't believe anything bad or good he says about the other projects either. Good?
Nov 26 12:16
*CalyxOS (no LineageOS available yet)
Nov 26 12:26
thecast:
>he said things i dont like so im going to completely disregard his obvious prowess in the field
nah that's pretty much the same as what you've been doing
Nov 26 12:43
risen:
👋💤 (wave, zzz)
Nov 26 13:07
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