risen:
> SkewedZeppelin:
> risen was the first person in this chat room and I've spoken to them the most out of everyone here.
>
> two minutes reading what TheAnonymouseJoker writes and you immediately realize they are two completely distinct people
Attempts at De-anonymizing like Google & co do,
or whatever the experts call it, is my cue to exit. My assignment is finished successfully. There is enough material here for a techlore video, and it's time to report back to Gos haters central and collect my cash rewards. Best of luck, bitches.
SZ, I can't imagine how I could help in future, but don't hesitate to ask if there's anything. Thanks for too much to list!
Nov 29 06:23
SkewedZeppelin:
:(
Nov 29 06:25
thecast:
gotem
Nov 29 06:39
he'll be back with a different acc, probably already has more in here
Nov 29 06:40
jcast:
> Attempts at De-anonymizing like Google & co do,
> or whatever the experts call it, is my cue to exit.
Yes I wonder if raising gratuitous suspicions about a member and attempts at doxxing should be tolerated here.
Nov 29 07:27
thecast:
revealing his other online alias who has been hostile towards GrapheneOS in the past is doxxing? Look back through the logs and see who said his name first.
Nov 29 07:35
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_jcast=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > Attempts at De-anonymizing like Google & co do,
> > or whatever the experts call it, is my cue to exit.
>
> Yes I wonder if raising gratuitous suspicions about a member and attempts at doxxing should be tolerated here.
how about long term cross-platform harassment and bullying?
Nov 29 08:00
or does actually posting my personal info on far right nazi sites with a troll username not count as doxxing? https://doxbin.com/upload/DanielMicayGrapheneOS and elsewhere
Nov 29 08:01
and mailing stuff to my house
Nov 29 08:02
edgar.vincent
Do you have evidence as to who did that?
Nov 29 08:37
dlnb:
strcat:
> and mailing stuff to my house
Unless this can be proved, pretty bold claim to say its risen
Nov 29 08:50
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> strcat:
> > and mailing stuff to my house
> Unless this can be proved, pretty bold claim to say its risen
where did I say that? and I didn't say he is TAJ either...
but he is participating in that harassment and misinformation campaign
he's reusing things those people have said and referencing stuff they did like a certain video from one of the ringleaders of the harassment
so is it wrong to bring that up? I don't think so
Nov 29 09:02
I said I have reason to believe he has accounts elsewhere, it is someone else who brought up that TAJ person who clearly acts much differently from him, that is hardly the only person engaging in posting attacks on GrapheneOS across Reddit from short lived sockpuppet accounts
Nov 29 09:03
dlnb:
Reddit is a shithole that mostly promotes negativity - offtopic obviously to this
Nov 29 09:08
People fish for reactions and hate to hate there
Nov 29 09:09
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Reddit is a shithole that mostly promotes negativity - offtopic obviously to this
look at risen's daily attacks on GrapheneOS here for months or longer
Nov 29 09:28
and not just that, personal attacks on me
Nov 29 09:29
dlnb:
I tried, and besides a couple of "not polished, " i cant trust daniel", i couldnt find any
Nov 29 09:30
strcat:
in the past several days he did a ton of it
search for gos (case insensitive) for a lot of what's earlier
Nov 29 09:53
b:
> I'm sad and happy to report Gos (is great) is working well, including great call quality and messaging with old sim on Pixel 6a. Goog Updates needed to achieve OEM unlock ability were a pain. Otherwise smooth as a glass screen protector!
And this is highest praise coming from our favorite crusty curmudgeon. It looks like he literally purchased a Pixel 6a to run Graphene OS at the recommendations of SZ.
Nov 29 09:56
dlnb:
Im looking into getting a pixel myself since my gripe with gos was it doesnt support non pixels, but thats not a bad thing
And anything antigos said anywhere didnt impact my decision
Nov 29 10:15
risen:
I made a mistake, and told a wee lie on the way out earlier. I'm sorry, it won't be that easy. Gos strcat did the same shit to an F-Droid dev, or more than one, I don't know the whole story. If what they posted is true, that's not OK either. You can call me any name you want, but you can't call me a liar, malicious, or all the other strcat playbook bullshit without backing it up. I didn't have a grudge before, I had an opinion, and that IS OK. I state my opinion, and that's OK too. Worse feelings are growing, and it should be obvious why. Now it can go a variety of ways. I heard some feedback. I'll try to tone my "bitter fuck"ness down, but I'm not going to let Mr. strcat badger me into silence that easily.
Nov 29 10:48
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I made a mistake, and told a wee lie on the way out earlier. I'm sorry, it won't be that easy. Gos strcat did the same shit to an F-Droid dev, or more than one, I don't know the whole story. If what they posted is true, that's not OK either. You can call me any name you want, but you can't call me a liar, malicious, or all the other strcat playbook bullshit without backing it up. I didn't have a grudge before, I had an opinion, and that IS OK. I state my opinion, and that's OK too. Worse feelings are growing, and it should be obvious why. Now it can go a variety of ways. I heard some feedback. I'll try to tone my "bitter fuck"ness down, but I'm not going to let Mr. strcat badger me into silence that easily.
you're telling more lies now
it's libel
you're just giving more examples of your abusive behavior, telling fabricated stories about me and accusing me of doing what **you are doing**
you aren't toning anything down, you're right now posting more fabrications about me
Nov 29 10:55
for months, or perhaps even longer, you've used this channel as part of waging a war against GrapheneOS and myself across platforms
it's plainly visible looking through the history
you aren't the only one participating in it but you're the only one here doing it
Nov 29 10:56
risen:
That's how you want to play it, OK
strcat:
you're upset because you've been called out for making dishonest attacks on GrapheneOS and myself for ages, and your response is doubling down and pushing another few fabricated stories
Nov 29 10:57
you've been doing this here for a long time, and I don't know why you're surprised that I'm upset about it
risen:
I'm upset because you're a liar
strcat:
> Gos strcat did the same shit to an F-Droid dev, or more than one
risen:
Calling me things I'm not.
Nov 29 10:58
strcat
okay, so you're starting off with more fabricated stories / lies
you are a liar
you've repeatedly lied here for months
people can see you lying right there
you make completely false claims about GrapheneOS and myself endlessly
you support other people engaging in abuse towards me too
risen:
You want links of what I read while gone? OK
strcat:
so you're going to spread fabricated stories from others now?
that is part of what you've done before
Nov 29 10:59
go ahead and prove that you're working with others to harm GrapheneOS spreading fabrications by linking their content
strcat:
SkewedZeppelin: risen is just doubling down on attacking me
Nov 29 11:00
strcat:
risen: https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657
supporting blatantly abusive people isn't a good look for someone claiming to be not part of it
Nov 29 11:01
risen: repeatedly lying about what GrapheneOS does, what I do, etc. is not expressing your opinions
I never did anything to you and yet you've been here being incredibly antagonistic and downright malicious towards GrapheneOS and myself
Nov 29 11:02
dlnb:
Can you give an example?
Nov 29 11:03
strcat:
are you really surprised that eventually enough people told me what was happening here that I decided to see for myself?
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Can you give an example?
risen just gave everyone one right above
and as I said, people can search for 'gos' and other terms and see him doing it daily
dlnb:
Before that
strcat:
why before that? that's the most relevant, most recent example
there were more yesterday, several times throughout the day
the day before that, the day before that
it's all there in scrollback for people to see
Nov 29 11:04
risen:
What lie, I tried gos and wasn't impressed?
Nov 29 11:05
strcat:
you repeatedly lied about what GrapheneOS provides, what we have done, what I have done
you did this on pretty much a daily basis for ages
lying about things is not your opinion
fabricating stories and pushing fabricated stories from others is no different
risen:
Quotes or you are lying now
Nov 29 11:06
strcat:
you're doing it even in a meta way about me calling out your behavior now
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I made a mistake, and told a wee lie on the way out earlier. I'm sorry, it won't be that easy. Gos strcat did the same shit to an F-Droid dev, or more than one, I don't know the whole story. If what they posted is true, that's not OK either. You can call me any name you want, but you can't call me a liar, malicious, or all the other strcat playbook bullshit without backing it up. I didn't have a grudge before, I had an opinion, and that IS OK. I state my opinion, and that's OK too. Worse feelings are growing, and it should be obvious why. Now it can go a variety of ways. I heard some feedback. I'll try to tone my "bitter fuck"ness down, but I'm not going to let Mr. strcat badger me into silence that easily.
you just posted this
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Quotes or you are lying now
you've repeatedly lied as you did there, and again, people can see it from the history
risen:
Not a lie
strcat:
repeatedly projecting your abusive behavior and dishonesty onto me doesn't get you out of it
the fact is that you're being incredibly dishonest about GrapheneOS and myself, and are trying to harm it through malicious attacks for ages here
Nov 29 11:07
risen:
strcat: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/grapheneos-apps/82494/2
strcat:
this whole channel can be about this if you want and if SkewedZeppelin is going to allow you to do it
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> strcat: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/grapheneos-apps/82494/2
ah so now as I said: you're linking posts of someone involved in incredible levels of abuse and dishonesty
I just linked https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 about that person's behavior
they fabricate stories about me and engage in these abusive bullying attacks across platforms, calling me schizophrenic, delusional, crazy, etc.
that is what you are part of
you're participating in an online harassment and bullying campaign
Nov 29 11:08
risen:
Everyone except you is dishonest and out to get you, in every example?
Nov 29 11:09
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Everyone except you is dishonest and out to get you, in every example?
posting lies from someone proven to be repeatedly abusive and dishonest is not proving anything
you can find posts from malicious people throughout the internet about me
as far as we know, this account you're using is one of their sockpuppet accounts
Nov 29 11:10
risen:
> strcat:
> you're participating in an online harassment and bullying campaign
I'm not participating in anything except this here.
strcat:
you're using this room to spread blatant libel about it: both your own and that from others
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > strcat:
> > you're participating in an online harassment and bullying campaign
> I'm not participating in anything except this here.
you're making libellous claims about me and spreading libellous claims from others
Nov 29 11:11
dlnb:
How are you always in this drama circle tho
strcat:
you're supporting someone proven to have been involved in an incredible level of abuse and harassment towards me
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> How are you always in this drama circle tho
there is an online harassment and libel campaign targeting me for my work on GrapheneOS, my privacy/security research that I've published, etc.
people can see that for themselves
dlnb:
I dont see a motive for that,youre doing great work
Nov 29 11:12
strcat:
you can see that they have posted my information on doxxing / harassment sites including doxbin and kiwi farms
risen:
Nothing to do with me
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I dont see a motive for that,youre doing great work
and yet that has been what has happened since 2018 when my former business partner started this in an attempt to kill the open source project he wanted to turn into a proprietary product and business
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Nothing to do with me
it has everything to do with you: you're linking to content from one of the primary perpetrators of harassment and bullying against me
you are 100% part of it, everything you have done here has been part of it too
Nov 29 11:13
strcat:
since you've now escalated it to a more extreme level, what are you expecting out of this? it's certainly not going away now
is your plan to just keep posting libel and attacks on me here indefinitely, and turning this room into your little playground for that?
Nov 29 11:14
you've already been doing it for months or more and your response to being called out is ramping it up, which you've been doing over the past several days
this room is supposed to be about DivestOS, not your personal playground to post attacks on GrapheneOS and personal attacks against me
Nov 29 11:15
I have only even joined this room in order to defend myself from your continuous attacks
risen:
People can ddg and judge who sounds believable. IDC about anything except your lies about me. Stop them.
Nov 29 11:16
strcat:
I haven't lied about you at all
risen:
Stop making up shit
strcat:
what you're doing is trying to amplify a bullying and harassment campaign against me
I'm not making anything up
risen:
You are
strcat:
what you're doing is bullying and harassment, and you've lied about myself and GrapheneOS for months
you're thoroughly full of shit and simply projecting what you are doing onto me with no basis
Nov 29 11:17
risen:
Bullshit
strcat:
posting your endless lies, posting lies from others involved in that and then claiming that *I am the one doing it* is the typical pattern of behavior for your abusive group
you can't stick to simply lying about GrapheneOS either, you always go back to these personal attacks on me lying about what happened with CopperheadOS, trying to claim that I'm crazy and untrustworthy
it's highly abusive behavior and you've been doing it LONG before I joined
long before we interacted
Nov 29 11:18
risen:
I've only done that just now so you know I know this is not an isolated situation.
What abuse?
Nov 29 11:19
strcat:
we've had nothing but good will towards DivestOS, and I felt that it was the same in return, but simply your presence here after months and months of pushing lies about the history of GrapheneOS, about me, about what GrapheneOS provides, etc. is going to start becoming a problem for those relations if nothing is done to stop it
Nov 29 11:20
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> What abuse?
repeatedly lying about it, attacking me with fabricated stories, also now spreading lies / fabrications from another person doing the same kind of thing as you now
risen:
You can stop making up shit
Nov 29 11:21
strcat:
and you are certainly right that you could go search for what other people involving in a libel and harassment campaign against me have said and post it here, which you have now started doing, and that just proves you are part of it
I'm not making up anything
you've been making up stuff about GrapheneOS for months and months here
risen:
Example?
strcat:
you've just given endless examples over the past few days
you just posted a more extreme version of it than you've done previously
risen:
Bullshit
strcat:
yet you did it right there minutes ago and you were already ramping it up these past few days, finding every opportunity to make jabs at me and push dishonest claims
Nov 29 11:22
risen:
I don't like green eggs and ham, and I don't like some things about Gos. BFD
strcat:
not liking something about GrapheneOS isn't a problem
lying about what it provides, lying about me, spreading fabrications about me to attack my character, etc. is the problem
you have been doing it LONG before the past few days
Nov 29 11:23
risen:
Bullshit
strcat:
the fact is that if you simply stopped using this as a venue for these attacks, the topic would be gone
I'm responding to your attacks on me here
Nov 29 11:24
risen:
There are NO attacks
Nov 29 11:25
strcat:
I'm only responding to you, not saying something about you when you're not doing it, the only recently it's a topic again is because you decided to come ramp it up even more
you could have simply dropped it and continued participating without doing it, but you insist on doing it and if you get challenged about it then you come back an hour later and ramp it up
it's never enough for you,
it's never enough for you
Nov 29 11:26
risen:
And what did you say while I was gone. Baseless supposition of bullshit
strcat:
I responded to your attacks
which is what I did when I first arrived here a few days ago
Nov 29 11:27
if there had been no attacks involving false claims about GrapheneOS and more importantly personal attacks on me, I would not be here
and I did not somehow stumble across it looking at this room
risen:
Do you enjoy this endless bullshit? Because you're the center of it a lot?
Nov 29 11:28
strcat:
multiple members here contacted me over a period of several weeks letting me know about it
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Do you enjoy this endless bullshit? Because you're the center of it a lot?
I would enjoy not having malicious people spreading fabricated stories about me across the internet to harm myself and the project that I work on
risen:
Somebody says Gos isn't great? What a tragedy
Nov 29 11:29
strcat:
and you folks have escalated this to the extreme with the level of the fabrications, the focus on pushing these baseless claims that I'm schizophrenic, etc. in order to involve Kiwi Farms and similar sites like doxbin
you literally just posted content from one of the major players in that trying to spread that here
risen:
I had refrained from mental health, but if _you_ want to get into it
Nov 29 11:30
strcat:
why couldn't you simply stop when SkewedZeppelin asked you to stop? I would have never talked to you again, which I think would make you happy
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I had refrained from mental health, but if _you_ want to get into it
no, you have not refrained from it, there are multiple previous comments from you trying to claim that I'm crazy, untrustworthy, lack the ability to reason about things
you were already doing this before I ever interacted with you
don't bother pretending otherwise, we've made an archive
Nov 29 11:31
risen:
When you stop lying, I'll stop talking to you
strcat:
you just showed up to attack me more
you were attacking me for ages long before I was ever here
there's no possible way you can justify it based on any of our interactions
Nov 29 11:32
risen:
Bullshit
strcat:
my presence here, the fact that I'm talking to you, that's based on your long term behavior attacking GrapheneOS and myself here
risen:
Bullshit
strcat:
also seems entirely reasonable to expect better from the community around a project that has heavily benefited from our work and which we've tried to help out where we could
Nov 29 11:33
risen:
It's my right to give my opinion. It's wrong for you to lie about what I said
Nov 29 11:34
strcat:
repeatedly making false claims about myself and GrapheneOS is not you simply expressing an opinion
I have not lied about what you've said
you just pushed blatant lies about me above
you were previously spreading it out much more and usually being more subtle about it, but since you've started being challenged about it you've ramped it up more and more these past few days
Nov 29 11:35
risen:
OK we're done repeating bullshit
strcat:
I'm sure you'll continue doing that
if you're going to be continuing to make false claims about GrapheneOS and particularly false claims personally attacking me here, it's an ongoing issue
so far all I've done is join this room and respond to it here
Nov 29 11:36
risen:
You can't even list 3 to 5 "false claims"
strcat:
you just made a dozen false claims in the past hour, it's all here
you just spread personal attacks and fabricated stories about me
Nov 29 11:37
risen:
Wow
strcat:
I suggested people search for 'gos', my name ('Micay', 'Daniel'), etc. where they can see you doing it repeatedly over a long period of time
it seems a major part of your goal is wasting a substantial amount of my time as part of trying to harm GrapheneOS
Nov 29 11:38
risen:
And... Nothing. A couple compliment
strcat:
no, a consistent history of you making attacks, blatantly false technical claims, personal attacks on me
especially over the past few days, and most egregious today
and based on that pattern, you're going to escalate that more and make this room more and more about your vendetta against me
Nov 29 11:39
risen:
Wtf would you expect?
strcat:
I expect you to try being a decent human being and no longer trying to harm someone and their open source project through underhanded behavior
risen:
No, but seriously, you win no friend
strcat:
that's what I expect, not what you are likely going to do
Nov 29 11:40
risen:
I'm not going to compliment your behavior
strcat:
I expect you to stop using this as a platform to make underhanded attacks on myself and GrapheneOS, that's it
how about you use this room to discuss DivestOS instead of attacking me?
Nov 29 11:41
risen:
If you can't copy paste examples, then we're done
strcat:
there are a whole bunch of blatant examples right here including the message attacking me where you linked to content from someone proven to be spreading fabricated stories and engaging in **extreme** bullying towards me does their usual thing, as do some others
Nov 29 11:42
risen:
The primary focus has been Dos until you came here and...
strcat:
and I predicted exactly what you were going to do and linked to an example of the abuse there before
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> The primary focus has been Dos until you came here and...
I came here because of your consistent underhanded attacks on GrapheneOS attempting to harm the project here
risen:
"Proven" is your opinion only
Nov 29 11:43
strcat:
I have never seen / heard of anyone else doing what you do here
https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 is one example
we also have archives/proof showing raids on our issue tracker
we have proof showing the follow up raids on our Matrix rooms
risen:
I don't care to read more of your stuff
strcat:
and the failed attempt to involve Kiwi Farms (they weren't interested, thought it was nonsense)
Nov 29 11:44
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I don't care to read more of your stuff
this is what you do consistently: you demand proof, but then I link a screenshot or link to a thread and you won't look, so why would I go get more?
what is the point of humouring you when you demand something and then when I start doing it you just ignore it / dismiss it?
risen:
I'd say what you are doing is a "raid" on this room, IMO.
strcat:
you have done that consistently so obviously I'm not spending my time digging through the archives posting stuff when you just do this in response
defending myself against abuse here is not a 'raid'
Nov 29 11:45
risen:
Examples of anything I have done here
strcat:
I've given a bunch of examples
you just provided a great one above
Nov 29 11:46
risen:
You should get more sleep imo
dlnb:
Dead serious - havent seen a single non vague example
Nov 29 11:50
risen:
> strcat:
> I've given a bunch of examples
I could have missed it, but I saw zero from you. Unless you're here with multi accounts.
strcat:
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> You should get more sleep imo
my suggestion is that you simply ignore your urge to keep posting attacks and drop it right here
> <@_xmpp_dlnb=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Dead serious - havent seen a single non vague example
you didn't see what he just did above? scroll up and read through it, and look at what he posted out of the blue coming back here
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> > strcat:
> > I've given a bunch of examples
> I could have missed it, but I saw zero from you. Unless you're here with multi accounts.
again, accusing me of what YOU are doing
risen:
Bullshit, and SZ probably knows
Nov 29 11:51
I accused you of nothing. I gave a possibility.
Nov 29 11:52
strcat:
SkewedZeppelin asked you to stop and what you did instead is massively escalating your attacks on me
risen:
Look, you can't give examples of "months and months" so how about you lurk until it actually happens
Nov 29 11:54
strcat:
I've given examples, you just dismiss it and won't look at stuff I link either
risen:
Out of this muc isn't me
Nov 29 11:55
Lurk, or participate usefully, until you actually see something real. Deal?
strcat:
you just did extreme stuff that I expect to be addressed
Nov 29 11:59
you have done it repeatedly over the past few days that I've been here and I can see from the history you saying I'm untrustworthy because of your misrepresented history of GrapheneOS and countless other things
Nov 29 12:00
SkewedZeppelin:
strcat, how do you best see this getting resolved?
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