SkewedZeppelin:
strcat, how do you best see this getting resolved?
Nov 29 12:00
risen:
> strcat:
> but he is participating in that harassment and misinformation campaign
> strcat:
> he's reusing things those people have said and referencing stuff they did like a certain video from one of the ringleaders of the harassment
> strcat:
> I said I have reason to believe he has accounts elsewhere, it is someone else who brought up that TAJ person who clearly acts much differently from him, that is hardly the only person engaging in posting attacks on GrapheneOS across Reddit from short lived sockpuppet accounts
This, while I was gone, is total bullshit. Call it even and stop now?
Nov 29 12:02
strcat:
previously, just risen no longer making underhanded attacks on myself and GrapheneOS
I responded to you
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> I made a mistake, and told a wee lie on the way out earlier. I'm sorry, it won't be that easy. Gos strcat did the same shit to an F-Droid dev, or more than one, I don't know the whole story. If what they posted is true, that's not OK either. You can call me any name you want, but you can't call me a liar, malicious, or all the other strcat playbook bullshit without backing it up. I didn't have a grudge before, I had an opinion, and that IS OK. I state my opinion, and that's OK too. Worse feelings are growing, and it should be obvious why. Now it can go a variety of ways. I heard some feedback. I'll try to tone my "bitter fuck"ness down, but I'm not going to let Mr. strcat badger me into silence that easily.
after blatant malicious fabrications like this and linking content from the person doing https://twitter.com/DanielMicay/status/1547286521597894657 and worse across platforms, I don't know what I expect
Nov 29 12:04
my issue has just been with risen but it's more than that if this room is welcome to be used as a platform for this
Nov 29 12:05
so far I've only responded in that room, not going to remain that way
Nov 29 12:06
dlnb:
Nobody here actually wants any drama between anybody
Nov 29 12:07
risen:
Ooh. Threats
dlnb:
Daniel, you need to calm down
strcat:
odd for a group of people here to have been attacking GrapheneOS with blatantly false claims about sandboxed Google Play and our development focus, etc. then leading up to me joining
> <@_xmpp_risen=2fdivestos-mobile=40conference.konvers.me:matrix.org> Ooh. Threats
you've made it clear you're going to keep escalating and harassing me
Nov 29 12:08
dlnb:
You just threw out a threat didnt u?
> so far I've only responded in that room, not going to remain that way
Nov 29 12:09
strcat:
how about using 1 account
SkewedZeppelin:
dlnb is not risen
Nov 29 12:10
risen:
I looked at your tweet link briefly. I've been much more restrained. I do understand that dev's reaction tho
dlnb:
Im a completely different person
risen:
We're all "different" in here. Lol
Nov 29 12:11
dlnb:
Im trying to look at this objectively
Hoped my input could help resolve this, it gets unnoticed so ill fall back to lurking
Have a nice day lads
Nov 29 12:12
risen:
From my perspective you helped as much as anyone could, dlnb . Thanks
Nov 29 12:13
> strcat:
> ~odd for a group of people here to have been attacking GrapheneOS with blatantly false claims~ about sandboxed Google Play and our development focus, etc. then leading up to me joining
If you want to tall substance, we could, but you'll have to drop the bullshit
Nov 29 12:16
*talk
Nov 29 12:17
strcat:
I've been talking substance and most people active here known what you've been doing
Nov 29 12:18
I've been talking substance and most people active here know what you've been doing
you just took it to the extreme and I'm not sure how you expect things to go back to normal where you get to keep attacking GrapheneOS with spin and false claims, occasionally attacking me with personal insults, lies about the history of the project and what happened with the company, etc.
Nov 29 12:19
risen:
You only have this one mode for disagreement?
Every disagreement has two sides. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
Nov 29 12:21
SkewedZeppelin:
> strcat, how do you best see this getting resolved?
do you want me to ban risen?
do you want me to enact a no GrapheneOS talk?
genuinely what do you see as the solution here?
talk rule*
Nov 29 12:22
strcat:
and then everyone can move on
I want risen to stop the endless underhanded attacks on myself and GrapheneOS, and I'd prefer if he just stopped himself
Nov 29 12:23
SkewedZeppelin:
ok
risen:
SkewedZeppelin: Do you understand what he means?
Nov 29 12:24
strcat:
I expect to stop seeing you making false claims about GrapheneOS and about myself
Nov 29 12:25
risen:
I cannot abide "endless underhanded attacks" or "false claims". Seriously What the fuck
Nov 29 12:26
Insignificant critical comments, sure
Nov 29 12:27
strcat:
it's not insignificant when you've been doing it so much and are misleading people, and the personal attacks are never insignificant particularly what you just did above
particularly when you're doing it somewhere that I thought we had good relations with the developer and community, but really you're here trying to undermine that long term creating conflict
you act as if this started when I joined, but no, you've been here doing it for ages
Nov 29 12:28
SkewedZeppelin:
risen, please kindly stop any egregious comments about GrapheneOS or responding to Micay here
strcat, for as long as risen doesn't spread misinformation or personal insults, please don't message them.
and please don't assume that everyone else here who mildly agrees with them is a sock of theirs
whether or not who is right or wrong the situation is only exacerbated by this instigation on either side
and at this point it has largely transcended out of useful talk into looping talk about the meta of it
agree to disagree, and move on
Nov 29 12:29
today is a happy tuesday
Nov 29 12:30
risen:
> SkewedZeppelin:
> risen, please kindly stop any egregious comments about GrapheneOS or responding to Micay here
>
Examples from previous weeks would help. I've seen nothing bad or egregious
Nov 29 12:31
SkewedZeppelin:
risen
please respect my wishes
Nov 29 12:32
risen:
Tell me if I do it.
Nov 29 12:34
> SkewedZeppelin:
> today is a happy tuesday
They're saying "giving Tuesday". Good luck with that.
Nov 29 12:38
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